Re: CSS-friendly templates in Dada Mail 2.10, part 2: things fixed along the way

 
From: "Dada Mail" <dada@PROTECTED>
Date: August 29th 2005

Bug #1: In 2 9 2, tables and textareas extended beyond the screen
edge in Internet Explorer for Windows

Oh good, you figured this out - I just had a client tell me about
this - I don't have Win/IE, so I had no idea what was going on in
their screenshots

Bug #2: The "logo" in the header (" :Dada Mail" by default)
couldn't be styled independently in 2 9 2

Here's another issue that may be partly related:

Right now, the title (for example) says:

: Dada Mail :: Sign up for a list ::

Are those colons and period currently something that can be at least
hidden if you want to fantastically change the layout/design of the
Dada Mail screens ala Zen Garden? They would seem to be a weird
hindrance

(Not actually a) Bug #3: Some styles were not controllable from the
external stylesheet

Neat Well, that solves the problem I have with applying an already
existing HTML/css design to the Dada Mail screens without having Dada
Mail's body styles mucking up the initial design

Bug #4: The main/archive pages are different widths in different
browsers [Note: This bug is still unfixed; your opinions about the available
bugfix options are welcomed!]

So, do you prefer the first (as I clearly do, being comfortable
with seeing wrapper

s in my HTML)? Or the second (for the
reasons given, or other reasons altogether)? Or: "Option 3 - Do
nothing"? Or do you just not care either way?

Please do tell

Well, one of the events that is going to happen sooner rather than
later is the release of IE7, which will probably break all the hacks
for IE5/6 Probably

I think the only question I have for you, before giving you my vote
for option one, is purely philosophical:

The usage of nested divs reminds me of the usage of nested tables -
it was a workaround for the limitations of designing a layout in
HTML Once proper (sic sort of) CSS support was in most of the big
playing modern browsers, the use of an outside stylesheet coupled
with

's and 's came into fashion Using /nested/ div's
seems to be a throwback to nested tables - you remove some of the
advantages of throwing away table-based layouts - less HTML tags used
and less weird hacks so that content and style are separated

Saying that, you've brought up a few times that these div/span
containers are used in part to cut up the content into logical
building blocks of the page itself

It's also my personal opinion that the type of people who are going
to be styling Dada Mail in interesting ways using purely the
stylesheet are going to be the same kind of people who are very
comfortable already doing so: most likely professional web designers
These are the same people that may not be scared of nested divs

There's going to be another group of people who are going to change
the layout/design of their lists using the list template function
that's available in Dada Mail - and the way they're going to do that
is by taking their already created design and tweaking it for Dada
Mail The amount they'll even look at Dada's css file will be small

So I guess, my vote's on one - if it doesn't work out, we'll try
something new - won't be the first time Or the 100th :)

Justin Simoni

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