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2013-06-17T07:37:03Z

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Re: error after update to 4.6.2

2013-06-11T17:10:39Z

On Jun 11, 2013, at 2:09 PM, Bruce Harper <bharper@vt.edu> wrote: > Yes, this has been an ongoing discussion, since there are a number of us who have "non-public" lists where unsubscribing isn't an option. I don't have a good solution right now, but I'll ponder it and start the discussion on the boards.

One option, to get the ball rolling (again), is to only allow suppression of the unsub link (or unsubscribing completely) IF the mailing list is set up to use a third party email sending service, like Amazon SES or MailGun (http://mailgun.com).

Those two services have their own TOS which are def. used to hold the senders accountable to who they send to. If there's abuse of sending, they won't think twice in disabling your mail sending. You can also argue your case to them - I'm not seeing it even coming to that sort of level if you're just running an internal, private mailing list.

That also stops me from having to police things (which I'm not interested in doing) and keeps organizations, like Bluehost liking and recommending Dada Mail.

These services are also not-free, but not ridiculously expensive, given much less incentive for someone to do something foolish, by accident. They also have the advantage of probably offering better mail delivery than a shared mail server, on a cheap hosting account.

Would something like that scenario: using a third party email service work as a compromise, for your personal position?

I'm letting this out now, but this ain't something that "free" Dada Mail is going to have. Even with all these checks and balances, I'm going to get an extra load of SPAM complaints and confused users, that I'm going to have to deal with.

Re: error after update to 4.6.2

2013-06-11T16:09:09Z

OK. I have to check on that. Thanks

Regards, Eef

H.E Weenink MBA

Aristo Advies & Internet B.V.

0(031)-545-431634

0(031)-630065069

Van: Justin J [mailto:justin@dadamailproject.com]
Verzonden: dinsdag 11 juni 2013 21:58
Aan: Dada Mail Developers
Onderwerp: [dadadev] Re: error after update to 4.6.2

On Jun 11, 2013, at 1:31 PM, H.E. Weenink | Aristo Advies & Internet <h.e.weenink@aristo-internet.nl> wrote:

Point is, I DO have a unsubscription tag in the footer of my mailing. Working as as sharm in 4.3.
Now upgraded to 4.6.2.

Ok, but is it the one described in:

http://dadamailproject.com/d/features-unsubscription_system.pod.html#the_unsubscription_link

All I'm saying is, it's gotta be that one specifically. You'll notice that it used to be different. This is from v5.2.1 - it lists a few different unsub tags you can use:

http://dadamailproject.com/support/documentation-5_2_1/FAQ-general.pod.html#unsubscription_links_are_placed_on_top_of_my_mailing_list_messages__why

The Appearance and Templates -> Email Message Templates will detect if it can find the correct unsub tag - you'll see a message:

Unsubscribe Link found in Template. Good!

Justin J: Lead Dadaist.
url: http://dadamailproject.com
email: justin@dadamailproject.com

skype: leaddadaist

On Jun 11, 2013, at 1:31 PM, H.E. Weenink | Aristo Advies & Internet <h.e.weenink@aristo-internet.nl> wrote:

Hello Justin,

Thanks for the reply, but (maybe Bruce should open a new thread on his issue) not an answer to my question.

Point is, I DO have a unsubscription tag in the footer of my mailing. Working as as sharm in 4.3.
Now upgraded to 4.6.2.
My tag is still there and works fine. But I now suddenly get the tag you are describing. Maybe a bug anyway?

Regards, Eef

Vriendelijke groet, Eef

H.E Weenink MBA
Aristo Advies & Internet B.V.
0(031)-545-431634
0(031)-630065069

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Justin J [mailto:justin@dadamailproject.com]
Verzonden: dinsdag 11 juni 2013 20:05
Aan: Dada Mail Developers
Onderwerp: [dadadev] Re: error after update to 4.6.2

Here's the short and sweet of it, for the unsubscribe process:

 http://dadamailproject.com/d/features-unsubscription_system.pod.html

Part of the simplification of things was that there's only one unsubscription tag, and it's required that it be used. If it's not found, it'll be placed in your message for you. It's supposed to be annoyingly on top, so you'll do something about it. My guess is that the correct unsubscription tag just isn't present. You'll notice that it's not placed on top of the discussion messages, for this mailing list?

This is also covered in the FAQ:

http://dadamailproject.com/d/FAQ-general.pod.html#unsubscription_links_are_placed_on_top_of_my_mailing_list_messages__why

This has been the behavior of the app for years now. The only difference is that a few different unsubscription links were allowed in past revisions, now only one specific one can be used. That's about it.

Legitimate mailing lists have legitimate unsubscribe mechanisms (amongst other things), and I've taken a lot of time to make Dada Mail's unsubscription system first class. It's a huge priority. There's no, "don't use the unsubscription system" mode in Dada Mail. Are there cases where it's not needed? Yeah, I can clearly see that there are. Does Dada Mail cater to those cases? No, it doesn't.

Please, if you'd like, open up the discussion to how one could run something I'll label a, "private" mailing list, that doesn't follow all the rules of a, "public" mailing list, but then tell me how I can offer this feature, without having it wide open to abuse, and/or having me somehow being the police force against this abuse. That's the problem I don't have a solution to, that's what I asked for help on, and that's what remains unsolved. I get that, "But you can trust ME" argument, but how can I trust people that don't come up to me, personally?

Here's some history on the discussion previously:

 http://dadamailproject.com/support/boards/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=2457

--

Justin J: Lead Dadaist.
url: http://dadamailproject.com
email: justin@dadamailproject.com
skype: leaddadaist

On Jun 11, 2013, at 9:54 AM, Bruce Harper <bharper@vt.edu> wrote:

On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 6:02 AM, Eef wrote:

We just updated from 4.3.x to 4.6.2 and see this error now:

On top of the message is says:

Unsubscribe Automatically:

I just went from 6.3.1 to 6.4.1 and now see this message also. I know the unsubscribe function was changed to simplify the process, but I wasn't aware that the message would be slapped to the top of every email sent. This discussion has come up before in various venues (here, the discussion board) about using Dada Mail as a non-opt-in/out list and the need to control who subscribes and unsubscribes. It is used here at the university to send a daily news and information message to all employees, who receive it as a condition of their employment. A like message is sent weekly during fall and spring semester to all students, who receive it as a condition of being a student. Under previous versions, there was the automatic unsubscribe link at the bottom of each message, which was tweaked to pretty much disable it (total removal would be better). Now comes this new link, which is unformatted and not really part of the message (especially the html message) that defeats the whole deal (there are employees who don't care to receive the message, but that's the way it goes -- every employee email address is on the list).

It would be helpful to know where in the code this can be disabled, removed (or at least moved to the bottom of the message) or otherwise taken care of. I know this steps on your philosophy, but the "unsubscribe" function interferes with how we want to use the program.

Bruce in Blacksburg
Virginia Tech Webmaster

Post: mailto:dadadev@dadamailproject.com

Unsubscribe >>

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Re: error after update to 4.6.2

2013-06-11T16:09:05Z

On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Justin wrote:

Here's the short and sweet of it, for the unsubscribe process:

http://dadamailproject.com/d/features-unsubscription_system.pod.html

Part of the simplification of things was that there's only one unsubscription tag, and it's required that it be used. If it's not found, it'll be placed in your message for you.
This has been the behavior of the app for years now. The only difference is that a few different unsubscription links were allowed in past revisions, now only one specific one can be used.

That was the issue -- since old template tags weren't recognized by the new version, it didn't believe there was an unsubscription link. Now fixed, but with the default (and unsatisfactory) "click here to automatically unsubscribe" line.

Legitimate mailing lists have legitimate unsubscribe mechanisms (amongst other things), and I've taken a lot of time to make Dada Mail's unsubscription system first class. It's a huge priority. There's no, "don't use the unsubscription system" mode in Dada Mail. Are there cases where it's not needed? Yeah, I can clearly see that there are. Does Dada Mail cater to those cases? No, it doesn't.

Please, if you'd like, open up the discussion to how one could run something I'll label a, "private" mailing list, that doesn't follow all the rules of a, "public" mailing list, but then tell me how I can offer this feature, without having it wide open to abuse, and/or having me somehow being the police force against this abuse. That's the problem I don't have a solution to, that's what I asked for help on, and that's what remains unsolved. I get that, "But you can trust ME" argument, but how can I trust people that don't come up to me, personally?

Yes, this has been an ongoing discussion, since there are a number of us who have "non-public" lists where unsubscribing isn't an option. I don't have a good solution right now, but I'll ponder it and start the discussion on the boards.

Bruce in Blacksburg

Virginia Tech Webmaster

Re: error after update to 4.6.2

2013-06-11T15:57:20Z

On Jun 11, 2013, at 1:31 PM, H.E. Weenink | Aristo Advies & Internet <h.e.weenink@aristo-internet.nl> wrote:

Point is, I DO have a unsubscription tag in the footer of my mailing. Working as as sharm in 4.3.
Now upgraded to 4.6.2.

Ok, but is it the one described in:

http://dadamailproject.com/d/features-unsubscription_system.pod.html#the_unsubscription_link

All I'm saying is, it's gotta be that one specifically. You'll notice that it used to be different. This is from v5.2.1 - it lists a few different unsub tags you can use:

http://dadamailproject.com/support/documentation-5_2_1/FAQ-general.pod.html#unsubscription_links_are_placed_on_top_of_my_mailing_list_messages__why

The Appearance and Templates -> Email Message Templates will detect if it can find the correct unsub tag - you'll see a message:

Unsubscribe Link found in Template. Good!

Justin J: Lead Dadaist.
url: http://dadamailproject.com
email: justin@dadamailproject.com

skype: leaddadaist

On Jun 11, 2013, at 1:31 PM, H.E. Weenink | Aristo Advies & Internet <h.e.weenink@aristo-internet.nl> wrote:

Hello Justin,

Thanks for the reply, but (maybe Bruce should open a new thread on his issue) not an answer to my question.

Point is, I DO have a unsubscription tag in the footer of my mailing. Working as as sharm in 4.3.
Now upgraded to 4.6.2.
My tag is still there and works fine. But I now suddenly get the tag you are describing. Maybe a bug anyway?

Regards, Eef

Vriendelijke groet, Eef

H.E Weenink MBA
Aristo Advies & Internet B.V.
0(031)-545-431634
0(031)-630065069

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Justin J [mailto:justin@dadamailproject.com]
Verzonden: dinsdag 11 juni 2013 20:05
Aan: Dada Mail Developers
Onderwerp: [dadadev] Re: error after update to 4.6.2

Here's the short and sweet of it, for the unsubscribe process:

http://dadamailproject.com/d/features-unsubscription_system.pod.html

Part of the simplification of things was that there's only one unsubscription tag, and it's required that it be used. If it's not found, it'll be placed in your message for you. It's supposed to be annoyingly on top, so you'll do something about it. My guess is that the correct unsubscription tag just isn't present. You'll notice that it's not placed on top of the discussion messages, for this mailing list?

This is also covered in the FAQ:

http://dadamailproject.com/d/FAQ-general.pod.html#unsubscription_links_are_placed_on_top_of_my_mailing_list_messages__why

This has been the behavior of the app for years now. The only difference is that a few different unsubscription links were allowed in past revisions, now only one specific one can be used. That's about it.

Legitimate mailing lists have legitimate unsubscribe mechanisms (amongst other things), and I've taken a lot of time to make Dada Mail's unsubscription system first class. It's a huge priority. There's no, "don't use the unsubscription system" mode in Dada Mail. Are there cases where it's not needed? Yeah, I can clearly see that there are. Does Dada Mail cater to those cases? No, it doesn't.

Please, if you'd like, open up the discussion to how one could run something I'll label a, "private" mailing list, that doesn't follow all the rules of a, "public" mailing list, but then tell me how I can offer this feature, without having it wide open to abuse, and/or having me somehow being the police force against this abuse. That's the problem I don't have a solution to, that's what I asked for help on, and that's what remains unsolved. I get that, "But you can trust ME" argument, but how can I trust people that don't come up to me, personally?

Here's some history on the discussion previously:

http://dadamailproject.com/support/boards/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=2457

--

Justin J: Lead Dadaist.
url: http://dadamailproject.com
email: justin@dadamailproject.com
skype: leaddadaist

On Jun 11, 2013, at 9:54 AM, Bruce Harper <bharper@vt.edu> wrote:

On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 6:02 AM, Eef wrote:

We just updated from 4.3.x to 4.6.2 and see this error now:

On top of the message is says:

Unsubscribe Automatically:

I just went from 6.3.1 to 6.4.1 and now see this message also. I know the unsubscribe function was changed to simplify the process, but I wasn't aware that the message would be slapped to the top of every email sent. This discussion has come up before in various venues (here, the discussion board) about using Dada Mail as a non-opt-in/out list and the need to control who subscribes and unsubscribes. It is used here at the university to send a daily news and information message to all employees, who receive it as a condition of their employment. A like message is sent weekly during fall and spring semester to all students, who receive it as a condition of being a student. Under previous versions, there was the automatic unsubscribe link at the bottom of each message, which was tweaked to pretty much disable it (total removal would be better). Now comes this new link, which is unformatted and not really part of the message (especially the html message) that defeats the whole deal (there are employees who don't care to receive the message, but that's the way it goes -- every employee email address is on the list).

It would be helpful to know where in the code this can be disabled, removed (or at least moved to the bottom of the message) or otherwise taken care of. I know this steps on your philosophy, but the "unsubscribe" function interferes with how we want to use the program.

Bruce in Blacksburg
Virginia Tech Webmaster

Post: mailto:dadadev@dadamailproject.com

Unsubscribe >>

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* Unsubscribe: http://dadamailproject.com/cgi-bin/dada/mail.cgi/t/REMOVED/=

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Re: error after update to 4.6.2

2013-06-11T15:31:20Z

Hello Justin,

Thanks for the reply, but (maybe Bruce should open a new thread on his issue) not an answer to my question.

Point is, I DO have a unsubscription tag in the footer of my mailing. Working as as sharm in 4.3. Now upgraded to 4.6.2.
My tag is still there and works fine. But I now suddenly get the tag you are describing. Maybe a bug anyway?

Regards, Eef

Vriendelijke groet, Eef

H.E Weenink MBA
Aristo Advies & Internet B.V.
0(031)-545-431634
0(031)-630065069

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Justin J [mailto:justin@dadamailproject.com] Verzonden: dinsdag 11 juni 2013 20:05
Aan: Dada Mail Developers
Onderwerp: [dadadev] Re: error after update to 4.6.2

Here's the short and sweet of it, for the unsubscribe process:

http://dadamailproject.com/d/features-unsubscription_system.pod.html

Part of the simplification of things was that there's only one unsubscription tag, and it's required that it be used. If it's not found, it'll be placed in your message for you. It's supposed to be annoyingly on top, so you'll do something about it. My guess is that the correct unsubscription tag just isn't present. You'll notice that it's not placed on top of the discussion messages, for this mailing list?

This is also covered in the FAQ:

http://dadamailproject.com/d/FAQ-general.pod.html#unsubscription_links_are_placed_on_top_of_my_mailing_list_messages__why

This has been the behavior of the app for years now. The only difference is that a few different unsubscription links were allowed in past revisions, now only one specific one can be used. That's about it.

Legitimate mailing lists have legitimate unsubscribe mechanisms (amongst other things), and I've taken a lot of time to make Dada Mail's unsubscription system first class. It's a huge priority. There's no, "don't use the unsubscription system" mode in Dada Mail. Are there cases where it's not needed? Yeah, I can clearly see that there are. Does Dada Mail cater to those cases? No, it doesn't.

Please, if you'd like, open up the discussion to how one could run something I'll label a, "private" mailing list, that doesn't follow all the rules of a, "public" mailing list, but then tell me how I can offer this feature, without having it wide open to abuse, and/or having me somehow being the police force against this abuse. That's the problem I don't have a solution to, that's what I asked for help on, and that's what remains unsolved. I get that, "But you can trust ME" argument, but how can I trust people that don't come up to me, personally?

Here's some history on the discussion previously:

http://dadamailproject.com/support/boards/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=2457

Re: error after update to 4.6.2

2013-06-11T14:04:22Z

Here's the short and sweet of it, for the unsubscribe process:

http://dadamailproject.com/d/features-unsubscription_system.pod.html

This is also covered in the FAQ:

http://dadamailproject.com/d/FAQ-general.pod.html#unsubscription_links_are_placed_on_top_of_my_mailing_list_messages__why

Here's some history on the discussion previously:

http://dadamailproject.com/support/boards/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=2457

Re: error after update to 4.6.2

2013-06-11T11:54:02Z

On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 6:02 AM, Eef wrote:

We just updated from 4.3.x to 4.6.2 and see this error now:

On top of the message is says:

Unsubscribe Automatically:

I just went from 6.3.1 to 6.4.1 and now see this message also. I know the unsubscribe function was changed to simplify the process, but I wasn't aware that the message would be slapped to the top of every email sent. This discussion has come up before in various venues (here, the discussion board) about using Dada Mail as a non-opt-in/out list and the need to control who subscribes and unsubscribes. It is used here at the university to send a daily news and information message to all employees, who receive it as a condition of their employment. A like message is sent weekly during fall and spring semester to all students, who receive it as a condition of being a student. Under previous versions, there was the automatic unsubscribe link at the bottom of each message, which was tweaked to pretty much disable it (total removal would be better). Now comes this new link, which is unformatted and not really part of the message (especially the html message) that defeats the whole deal (there are employees who don't care to receive the message, but that's the way it goes -- every employee email address is on the list).

It would be helpful to know where in the code this can be disabled, removed (or at least moved to the bottom of the message) or otherwise taken care of. I know this steps on your philosophy, but the "unsubscribe" function interferes with how we want to use the program.

Bruce in Blacksburg

Virginia Tech Webmaster

error after update to 4.6.2

2013-06-11T06:01:46Z

We just updated from 4.3.x to 4.6.2 and see this error now:

On top of the message is says:

Unsubscribe Automatically:
 
<a href="http://mailer.aristo-webdesign.nl/cgi-bin/dada/mail.cgi/t/scek5iyFXAaTeaxwBWgUBdfSpYQWySWyXEEuf5pZ/">
http://mailer.aristo-webdesign.nl/cgi-bin/dada/mail.cgi/t/scek5iyFXAaTeaxwBWgUBdfSpYQWySWyXEEuf5pZ/
</a>

At the bottom of the message there is a nice link to unsubscribe.

When all set back to 4.3.x this top unsubscribe link is not present.

Do we have to do somthing differently? Or is this a bug?

Regards, Eef

v6.5.0 Alpha 1, v6.4.2 Stable Released

2013-06-10T22:18:15Z

First, v6.5.0 Alpha 1:

Download + Install:

http://dadamailproject.com/support/documentation-6_5_0-alpha1/install_dada_mail.pod.html

Summary 6.5.0 alpha 1

Features 6.5.0 alpha 1

This version of Dada Mail features many additional configuration options available when using the included Installer:

• Profiles
Enable/Disable the following Profile Features:

                • Profiles in General
                • Set the Profile Administratiin Email
                • CAPTCHA
                • Magic Subscription Forms
                • Help Screen
                • Profile Login
                • Profile Registration
                • Password Reset
                • Profile Fields
                • Mailing List Subscriptions
                • Password Protected Directory Information
                • Update Email Address
                • Change Password
                • Profile Deletion
        • Global Template Options
                • Set a Global, User-Facing Template

(Absolute File Path, or URL)

        • Security Options
                • Hide Administration Link
                • Disable Outside Logins
                • Admin Flavor Name
                • Sign In Flavor Name
        • Global Mass Mailing Options
                • Mass Mailings at Once Limit
                • Multiple Mailing List Sending
                • Mass Mailings Stale After Limit

These global paramaters can be read from previous configurations, and can be editing using the installer or directly in the .dada_config file.

v6.4.2:

Download + Install:

http://dadamailproject.com/support/documentation-6_4_2/install_dada_mail.pod.html

Summary 6.4.2

This version is primarilly a bug-fix release.

Bugfixes 6.4.2

Tracker: Links with "&" in query string do not get tracked

https://github.com/justingit/dada-mail/issues/380

Bridge: Moderation Links Broken

https://github.com/justingit/dada-mail/issues/381

v6.4.1 Released

2013-06-10T03:06:02Z

Install + Download:

http://dadamailproject.com/support/documentation-6_4_1/install_dada_mail.pod.html

Summary 6.4.1

This version is primarily a bug-fix release, dealing with mass mailings that will be paused as soon as they're created.

It's a problem that probably started in the v6.4.0 release of Dada Mail (although it could have bitten those before this ver.).

The fix was made basically in one file, so if you are currently running v6.4.0 of Dada Mail (and ONLY this version), you may do the following, instead of having to completely re-install Dada Mail:

The file that needs to be changed out is at: dada/DADA/Mail/MailOut.pm
Rename the current, MailOut.pm file you have within your Dada Mail installation.
Grab the version of the MailOut.pm file w/the bugfix, here:

https://raw.github.com/justingit/dada-mail/v6_4_1-stable_2013_06_09/dada/DADA/Mail/MailOut.pm

And put this version up, where the original file was, in: dada/DADA/Mail

Good to go! Again, these directions are only for users who are currently running v6.4.0 of Dada Mail. Everyone else is suggested to upgrade Dada Mail using the usual upgrade directions.

This bugfix may also help the problem with Mass Mailings that finish correctly, but also leave a notice in the Mailing Monitor, that it's still around and corrupted. We'd love to hear your feedback.

Bugfixes 6.4.1

Mass Mailings Sometimes Paused After Creation

https://github.com/justingit/dada-mail/issues/379