Re: gmail unsubscribe button

 
From: "Brian Goetke goetke1@PROTECTED [Dada Mail Developers]" <dadadev@PROTECTED>
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Date: August 16th 2016
Hello Justin,

I have been seeing suspicious subscribe / unsubscribes, but not limited to gmail.  I have not had a chance to investigate.  Thanks for jumping on this.

Brian


From: "Justin J justin@PROTECTED [Dada Mail Developers]" <dadadev@PROTECTED>
To: Dada Mail Developers Subscriber <goetke1@PROTECTED>
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 12:47 PM
Subject: [dadadev] Re: gmail unsubscribe button


Here's what I mea by abuse. I've gotten some of these messages from Gmail, but when I look up the address, I see that they are not subscribed. So, what gives? Digging a little deeper, it seems the address did fill out the subscription form, but then never confirmed it. So, why are they trying to unsubscribe from a list they're not subscribed on, yet?

Looking for the address on stopforumspam.com, it comes out as negative - no one is reporting it as being abusive.

But, if I look the history of subscription requests, I see that a number of addresses are trying to subscribe from that same IP address, over a small amount of time, which is suspicious.

So suspicious, that the latest version of Dada Mail blocks that sort of behavior.

I don't know if you're seeing the same thing - that these unsubscribe messages are coming from bots trying to subscribe to your list, but it's what I'm seeing. Upgrading to the latest version will help at the very least, with false positives, so if you do need to manually remove addresses, it'll make the job go quicker,

I describe this more  in this blog post,

    http://blog.dadamailproject.com/2016/08/02/dada-mails-subscription-abuse-prevention-systems/

under,

    Blocking Suspicious IP Address Activity

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> On Aug 16, 2016, at 8:36 AM, Mary Ann Kelley maryann@PROTECTED [Dada Mail Developers] <dadadev@PROTECTED> wrote:
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> I was just wondering if there was a way to put an unsubscribe in place that responds to those requests automatically.
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> Warm regards,
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> Mary Ann
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>> On Aug 15, 2016, at 10:22 PM, Justin J justin@PROTECTED [Dada Mail Developers] <dadadev@PROTECTED> wrote:
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>> I'm not sure what else to suggest, other than to process the requests manually. What other guidance were you looking for?
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>>> On Aug 15, 2016, at 5:31 PM, Mary Ann Kelley [Dada Mail Developers] <dadadev@PROTECTED> wrote:
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>>> These are actual subscribers, and they each have “unsubscribe email” as the subject line and the message in the body of the email is identical for each:
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>>> "Please unsubscribe this account from your mailing list.”
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>>> The thing that worries me is that if they keep receiving mail after they “unsubscribe” using gmail’s function, they will think it’s unsolicited email.
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>>> Warm regards,
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>>> Mary Ann
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>>>> On Aug 14, 2016, at 10:17 PM, Justin J justin@PROTECTED [Dada Mail Developers] <dadadev@PROTECTED> wrote:
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>>>>> On Aug 14, 2016, at 7:41 AM, Mary Ann Kelley [Dada Mail Developers] <dadadev@PROTECTED> wrote:
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>>>>> I’m suddenly seeing a lot more unsubscribe emails from gmail users instead of people actually clicking the unsubscribe link in the email.
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>>>> Are they actually subscribers, or just email from random addresses.
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>>>> I've seen these emails too, but they're rarely from addresses that are actually on my list.
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