Dada Mail Mailing Lists: [dadadev] dadadev Re: Dada Mail 3.0.1

From: John Collins ...@meetingsandmixers.com>
Subject: [dadadev] dadadev Re: Dada Mail 3.0.1
In-Reply-To: [dadadev] Re: Dada Mail 3.0.1
Date: November 30th 2008

Thank you. I try not to be a crotchety old guy, but sometimes I have
a lot of balls in the air and am always behind schedule so when I run
into things I don't understand, I yell for help.

Right behind stable on my wish list is super fast sending.

I tried the $MASS_MAIL_SETTINGS = ">>/dev/null";
Then tried sending. Dada opened the progress window, but, of course,
nothing was being sent so I have no idea what the speed rate is.
Sorry, but that's above my pay grade. I didn't know where else to
look. Didn't see anything relevant in the log.

Tried smtp once before and found it no faster, but surely will try
again. Tried testing the settings today and it works fine with sasl.
I don't have another mailer to do for a few days so I can't do a real
world test right now.

I don't use the subscriber fields and still get occasional 500
server errors using the mailing monitor, so I have set it to not
check every 10 secs. I just let it run without the monitor and then
click it on to check progress once in a while, therefore 3.0 is not
all that important.

Then for the increased speed, going back to 2.10.16 might be a better
choice, but I do hate to lose the archives from the last couple of
months. Plus I seriously want to continue using the sql backend--at
first test that didn't work. I got errors referencing the .config
file asking for actual file names for the database, etc. The config
file was set up for v3. Didn't use it for 2.x.

From the completion email 4-8--08
Your mailing has reached: 19911 e-mail address(es)
Mailing Started: 04/20/2008 10:08:50
Mailing Ended: 04/20/2008 11:05:44
Total Mailing Time: 56 minutes, 54 seconds
(that's 5.83/sec)

From today's completion email.
Your mailing has reached: 18689 e-mail address(es)
Mailing Started: 11/30/2008 10:08:56
Mailing Ended: 11/30/2008 15:15:17
Total Mailing Time: 5 hours, 6 minutes, 21 seconds
(that's 1.02/sec)

Thanks again.
John


At 5:50 PM -0500 11/30/08, Justin J wrote:
>>It is S-L-O-W!
>>
>>It's sending at the rate of under 1800 per hour. With 18,000 to
>>send it will take over ten hours. This is not workable. I cannot
>>send a second msg in the same day.
>
>
>>Reference: Dada 3.01pro. External config. MySQL backend. I have
>>tried it with the batch sending set to 180 with a one second pause
>>or to not have it set to send in batches or with any pauses. No
>>difference.
>>
>>Wha' happened?
>
>
>
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>First and foremost, I don't make Dada Mail to go as fast as
>possible. I don't do that because the bottle neck is never Dada
>Mail, it's the actually mailing part - where you send the message
>off to your mail server. You're 1800 messages an hour is about 2
>messages/second. That's probably on ball with how fast the mail
>server can take messages. I'm not at all worried about that.

>
>
>You can test my theory by, instead of sending a message to your mail
>server, using the sendmail command, instead send it to, just a file
>that gets appended. Change the config variable $MASS_MAIL_SETTINGS
>from what it probably is set to:
>
>
>
> $MASS_MAIL_SETTINGS = "|$MAILPROG -t";
>
>
>to something like this:
>
> $MASS_MAIL_SETTINGS = ">>/dev/null";
>
>
>Send a message out (nothing will actually get sent out) and tell me
>how fast messages are going out. If it's more like 18,000
>messages/hour, instead of 1800 messages an hour - guess what? It's
>not Dada Mail, it's the sendmail command taking 2 seconds a messages
>- and that's it.
>
>
>Make sure to change back this variable, when you really want to send
>out a message.
>
>
>If it's sendmail taking so long - there's not much I can do. You can try this:
>
> http://www.dadamailproject.com/support/boards/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=515
>
>
>which means switching to SMTP sending. That's all I got for you.
>
>
>I know, John, you like to report sending speed problems, but a lot
>of your reports are without much evidence - error logs and the like
>and you then don't like trying out a lot of the changes I make. This
>report, for example, is basically the same report you gave a few
>months ago. My answer is pretty similar, as well. If you're asking
>me to jump, I'm going to tell you, "I'm jumping" and not, "how high"
>- there's nothing I can do, internally, in Dada Mail to speed up
>sending.
>
>
>I don't want it to be a, "He said, she said" thing with Westhost,
>where they say they haven't changed anything on their side, so it
>must be on Dada Mail's side - it gets us nowhere. Are there major,
>huge, ginormous changes in Dada Mail 3, when compared to 2? Yes. A
>lot. Can I go back to how 2 worked? I can't, unless you want to get
>ride of all the subscriber fields stuff and all the mailing monitor
>stuff in 3. If those aren't important to you - use 2.x. Especially
>with this version - which is just an incremental *bug fix* version
>of Dada Mail to be as compatible with 3.0 as possible, I don't have
>much leeway to make huge changes to the architecture within Dada
>Mail.
>
>
>I guess a question, *I* would love to ask is, "What is it, that you
>all - everyone, would like me to do?", when it comes to the issue of
>mail sending? No one has any ideas, really. I ask for comments on
>what major feature you all - everyone, wants and no one said, "I
>want mail sending super fast!". It was even on the list of things,
>in the form of what's called, "Envelope Sending", but not many
>people said, "hey, that's a great idea"
>
>A lot of my concentration, in Dada Mail, is not with sending super
>fast - a lot of my concentration has been around getting the people
>who have limits of sending at only 500 messages an hour
>realistically working, thus the whole sending monitor stuff - which
>is a very complex bit of code - almost too complex. But it's not so
>complex as to add 2 *seconds* of overhead per message. That's just
>silly,